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Fuck Police.
« on: October 11, 2009, 02:00:14 PM »
Homeowner has an intruder at gunpoint while on the phone with 911 and cops rush in and shoot him in the back, hip and forearm. Then proceed to shoot him 3 more times when he's on the ground. No verbal warning by cops.  :fu:

But the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing by internal affairs.  :fu:

Partial CNN Video w/ 911 audio.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 08:38:18 PM »
damn they fucked up big time, but they are cops and they will probably get away with it.

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2009, 09:58:34 PM »
Internal affairs already cleared him of doing anything wrong.

Though these things were all seriously wrong:

1) Dispatch knew the home owner had a gun drawn
2) All the commanding officers on scene knew he had a gun drawn
3) Did not give warning that he was going to fire
4) Shot him in the back
5) Wife screamed he had a gun drawn and he shot him 3 times while standing
6) Shot him 3 more times while on the ground

I have my concealed weapons permit and was actually out shooting today with a buddy that has an AR-15 or M4. These are all kinds of stupid wrong unless the cop had a gun pointed at him. He did not nor was the home owner screaming his ass off like an idiot to create a false impression on any officer.
 
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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 11:27:06 AM »
that's fucking insane... every one of those officers should be discharged permanently and formally charged with manslaughter.

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 03:24:06 PM »
that's fucking insane... every one of those officers should be discharged permanently and formally charged with manslaughter.

for once i argee with you    ;D

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 03:28:15 PM »
i thought its not really manslaughter if he didn't die?

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 03:36:01 PM »
he was shot 6 times and he didn't die?

holy shit, my fucking hero...

... in that case attempted manslaughter.

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 09:02:13 PM »
I hope he wins his lawsuit and has a very happy life!
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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 09:13:34 PM »
This guy is a hero
1) He did not shoot back, I am sure he could have done that when you listen to the tape.
2) He was not afraid of dying
3) The last and only words he wanted to say after hit by 6 bullets "I love you" too his family.

And now for the cops part, fired would be a excellent starting point. I want to say shot but that's against my better judgment.
Anybody in here who is a cop that likes to defend your collega's, like in, you do not know what it takes to be a cop etcetera?
Not saying that all cops are like this, but if you even try to make this sound like a "accident" then please go to your officer and give him your weapons, preferably without accidentally shouting him.
Damn, I wish I could be in the jury in this case, I would be yelling guilty every time they opened there mouth.

Thanks for posting this, going to use this as a example many many times.

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 08:24:14 PM »
This article goes a little more in depth

http://abcnews.go.com/US/phoenix-family-lawsuit-cops-shot-homeowner-intruder/Story?id=8756441&page=1

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 09:14:01 AM »
Its funny. I have been on many forums and in comparison i have seen a maturity level on this forum that is much higher than on others. But this thread has shown otherwise. I, as a police officer, will say that from what i have read these officers failed to abide by the much reveered rule to identify you culprit before firing, but on the same token they did not know who owned the house, they did not know who the bad guy was. so officers are also taught to protect the life of others. the man had his finger on the trigger of the weapon...........therefore authorizing deadly force. Do i know the WHOLE story, the WHOLE TRUE story. No i dont. do i say the cops are right or wrong. no i dont. the news has a way of making stories things they are not. I have seen news stories that label all sportbike riders as a hooligans and lawbreakers. did we immediately take what the news said a gospel? no we didnt. so why do we do it now? because the police are the ones who's name is at risk.  as far as shooting the guy while he is on the ground.......yes whoever fired after he was down should have been removed from the force.

snow.....i am going to say that most people do not know what it is like on that end. are those cops wrong? most likeley but there are 3 sides to every story, yours, thiers, and the truth. i am not trying to make this an accident. it is onvious that the cops shot with intent to wound, if not kill.


blindkiller.....the police do not have to have a gun pointed at them to fire, they have to see life in danger.  if you were being held at gun point would you want the cop to just put his gun away until it is pointed at him? having your concealed carry doesnt give you anymore knowledge on being a cop than anyhting else.

its easy for everyone to say "if it was me" or "if i was there",  but in all actuality you have no clue what you would do uless you have been put it that position.


deadlyracereplica....so because they are cops they will get away with it?  i have seen many cops get hammered for some of the most simple things. anyone hear about the cop that got fired for getting clocked at 140 on his gsxr?


no doubt. reading these stories leaves little to say about the cops actions. once again i am not justifying the cops actions.  i just want to see something other than immediate cop bashing by everyone. if you want to criticize the cops actions then do so, but some of these posts are more than just criticism.
things like "just another cock sucker with a badge" and  :fu: are not constructive in any way. i understand your right to say what you will. being a soldier i am know i fight for that right everyday.   but remember your rights end where others rights begin.

ONCE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I AM UNDERSTOOD. I DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THE COPS DID. I AGREE WITH THE HOMEOWNER.
 Just remember no-one here on this forum was there on scene whan it happened.
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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2009, 11:00:33 AM »
I'm not going to go on a rant of the a-typical " they protect their own to no end ". I can some what agree that until I've been in the circumstance I don't know fully, I'll give you that. But have you?

For the cops and your reply towards me further, if I was the intruder into the home no I wouldn't want him to put his gun away. That's more idiocy than what happened in the first place and just un-reasonable. Considering the circumstance in which the police were notified and why they were going to the home, why the hell did they not know anything? This much is common knowledge that the officers do not need a gun pointed at them to fire. However, I see no signs of anything to startle the officers to give them the intent to fire. To my knowledge all police officers training are geared towards diffusing the situation first. Did that happen, by the way the story is told, not at all.

Thankfully you do agree that there were massive amounts of wrong doing in this situation. In deadlyracereplica's defense there are many, many more than not, that the police officers do something wrong and go away scotch free than get punished. I'm not talking something like running red lights all day and night like out of the movies and in real life, or harassment, I'm talking circumstances like this one where someone nearly died and nothing was done at all. Hence, the lawsuit.

As far as the comparison to sport bike riders and police officers, this does have a considerable legitimacy. However, the police " fraternity ", if you will, has much more going for it as they are in positions of power. We all know from riding there are those people that truly define the media's image of sport bike riders and there are decent number that try to defy that logic and projection. There are still plenty around to reinforce it though. Who also plays a major factor into this image is the police officers again.

I had a pretty large amount of hate for officers in the first place because I've always been wronged by them. I was hit twice on my CBR and both of them were no faulted. Why? Because of the generic image that they assume of us, and displayed by the media. Being in my early twenties when they both occurred I knew I fit the profile but I would do my absolute best to avoid being " that guy". I'll keep the thread on topic at this rate and PM you and see what you think of these stories weather I was wronged or not.  (EDIT) In other thoughts, I won't PM you as I don't want to agitate myself or you.

I'm also either misreading it or taking it out of my own bias, but I find it rather amusing that you express and rate this forum as "immature" for one thread and a few opinions that are short quick and to the point. Not only that but the small irony of the thread title in it's own. But do look around and see how many times you see this on any forums. You just generically see it less here because the generic demographic of this forum are not 17 year old's and we are used to being discriminated so we stick together and treat each other as nicely as we can.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 11:11:46 AM by blindkiller »
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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2009, 01:27:34 PM »
I'm not going to go on a rant of the a-typical " they protect their own to no end ". I can some what agree that until I've been in the circumstance I don't know fully, I'll give you that. But have you?


i have been in this type of situation. and i agree, that most will protect their fellow officers
i have been a cop for 7 yrs now.

why the hell did they not know anything? This much is common knowledge that the officers do not need a gun pointed at them to fire. However, I To my knowledge all police officers training are geared towards diffusing the situation first. Did that happen, by the way the story is told, not at all.

that is where they screwed up royally. not listening to the dispatcher and being able to tell the difference.  but there are levels of force. you respond with the level of force needed to diffuse the situation quickest and safest. another thing the officer didnt do.

there are many, many more than not, that the police officers do something wrong and go away scotch free than get punished. I'm not talking something like running red lights all day and night like out of the movies and in real life, or harassment, I'm talking circumstances like this one where someone nearly died and nothing was done at all. Hence, the lawsuit.

i agree the lawsuit is definately justified. and i will also say i do not know the stats of how many get away with what.


As far as the comparison to sport bike riders and police officers, this does have a considerable legitimacy. However, the police " fraternity ", if you will, has much more going for it as they are in positions of power. We all know from riding there are those people that truly define the media's image of sport bike riders and there are decent number that try to defy that logic and projection. There are still plenty around to reinforce it though. Who also plays a major factor into this image is the police officers again.


i do agree that the police play a role in this, but my point is that the media plays the largest role in blowing things out of proportion.


I had a pretty large amount of hate for officers in the first place because I've always been wronged by them.

I can understand how you may feel to law enforcement, but i am 31 and only been a cop for 7 yrs. For instance when i was 23 me and my father were riding through Altamonte Springs, FL (if anyone on here is familiar they have some of the worst cops ive ever encountered) a cop slung his car in front of us at a light, jumped out, drew his weapon, and put us on the ground face first. He then proceeded to wheel our bikes into the grass median where my fathers pristine at the time 93 cbr 900 rr fell onto my hurricane. Back up showed and then realized that the description of the motorcyclist that ran from another cop was waaaaaaay off from our description. they let us up and let us go. The department paid for our damage and the cop was no more than yelled at. I am sincerely sorry that you were done wrong. there is no justification for it, it just happens.

 (EDIT) In other thoughts, I won't PM you as I don't want to agitate myself or you.


as long as you dont disrespect me i will not be agitated

I'm also either misreading it or taking it out of my own bias, but I find it rather amusing that you express and rate this forum as "immature" for one thread and a few opinions that are short quick and to the point.

i did not say that the forum itself was immature but a few of the responses.

 But do look around and see how many times you see this on any forums. You just generically see it less here because the generic demographic of this forum are not 17 year old's and we are used to being discriminated so we stick together and treat each other as nicely as we can.

this was my point i have seen this on many forums and find it extremely immature.

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Re: Fuck Police.
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2009, 03:36:11 PM »
I can agree fully about the Altamonte Springs officers. The only thing you're leaving out in that area is that the Winter Park officers are just as bad depending on their mood as I was born and raised here. When it becomes the appropriate time I will give you details but it's not right now.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2009, 06:24:06 PM »
Fact, I was not there, tapes could easily be misleading, especially on the internet, missing important parts  of evidence. But looking at the source of the tape in combination with the material on it, it sound really convincing about what could have been taken place. I will never argue that we do not know exactly what happened.

Lets assume the home owner was on the ground and the bandit was holding the gun, lets even assume he already kilt the family. If the officers came in the same way as we think they did, and shot the bad guy holding the gun, saving the life of the home owner lying on the floor at gun point,  then still on the evidence presented, I would like them to face the same trial.

If you assign to be a cop you should think of it as a being a medic who has some extra tools that make a lot of noise and scares the bad guy's away so you can help your victim. If you shoot a medic most of them are thinking, crap I could not even check the pols of my patient and now they can not even donate my pancreas because there are to many holes in it.

I also wanted to add that replying to this thread by people who are officers is a sign of responsibility, and do appreciate it.


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