Clutch Wheelies

[ek0rz22]

jimmy fireblade runs a wheelie school in the uk.  basically he says to pull in the clutch, rev it, hit the rear brake (to dip the front) , then release the clutch.  by using the brake, the suspension does 70% of the work.  they use bandit 600's at their school.  anyone use this method with the 600rr?  our rear brake doesn't do much so I'm not sure how well it would work.  also, any tips on how much to rev it.  I've always stuck to 1st gear power wheelies but want to learn to clutch it up.

ps.  flame on

[cornerworker]

Start in first gear.  Bring her to a steady 20 mph.  Pull the clutch in just enough to get the revs to come up but still pull the bike at a steady 20 mph.  Rev it to about 10k rpms and pop the clutch.  Its going to snap you up so be ready.  Keep the rear brake covered just in case.  If 10k rpms doesn't do rev to 11k then 12k and so on.  Good luck and have fun.

[rjh200]

At the risk of getting severely flamed:

I would stay away from first gear wheelies until you are more comfortable with the bike on one wheel.  They have more of a tendency for things to go wrong, ie bike going over backwards.  The best results can be obtained by getting the bike to aroud 6k rpms in 2nd gear (40 mph), load the springs a little (rear brake or bounce it up), clutch in (blip the clutch just long enough for the engine to rev up) rev to about 9-10k rpm, release clutch and stay on the throttle to ride out.  This should be a quick and smooth action taking a matter of about 2-3 seconds for all above actions.  She will come up in 1st, 2nd and 3rd no problem.  Make sure you keep the rear covered in case it get hairy and/or be ready to grap the clutch.  I never used the rear brake to load the springs cause if you apply to pressure you could end up with just a spinning tire.  Shift of weight a little foward while doing the above (ie bouncing) has the same effect.

[rjh200]

I can not emphasize enough how much learning in 1st gear is a BAD idea.  The bike comes up very quick in first gear and if you are not carefull it could have a bad ending.  

[Bigcat44]

Start in first gear.  Bring her to a steady 20 mph.  Pull the clutch in just enough to get the revs to come up but still pull the bike at a steady 20 mph.  Rev it to about 10k rpms and pop the clutch.  Its going to snap you up so be ready.  Keep the rear brake covered just in case.  If 10k rpms doesn't do rev to 11k then 12k and so on.  Good luck and have fun.

Better yet from a stop get the rpms to like 10k or higher and quickly release the clutch and pop the front tire up, hold on!! No just kidding don't do first gear wheelies the bike won't respond to your throttle inputs very well as the torque value is maxed. Get the bike into second, get the rpms to about 5 or 6 grand without clutch then quickly pull the clutch rev to about 10 or 11 and release while on the throttle and get the bike up. It may seem that you will loop it but you won't be, not if the bike was moving pretty well before you popped it up. Once you get the bike into it's balance point you will only have to give the bike a little gas and will be able to ride it until you run out of road. If you find yourself running out of rpms and the bike quickly falls then you are not in the balance point. Stand-up wheelies are easier for some than sit down ones because of the balance. Please don't practice this on a populated road. Wheelies shouldn't be done at all (thats the msf instructor part of me) best of luck

[cornerworker]

I'm not sure about first time wheelies at 40mph.  I don't know.  I'm not really an advocate of riding one wheel to the sky but I learned to bring up the front end in 1st gear under power and with the clutch.  

Maybe you should listen to these squids about how to get that front wheel up. j/k

[rjh200]

I agree Bigcat.  As I have stated before I have access to a closed parking lot at nights and weekends where we have permission to be.  So every once in a while I go screw around to get the squid desires out.  hehe.  Once you get the feel of bring it up and the balance point down, then you can work on rear brake technique.  Which will allow you to hold the bike at the same level at the same speed.  Then comes 12 O'clocks and a new tail section  :-[

[ek0rz22]

1st gear power wheelies are no problem.  I'll work on clutching it up in second, though.  So far I haven't gotten the timing right to bounce it in second.  I guess I was also wondering if our rear brake will actually get enough compression on the front forks.  Maybe I should just go out and ride.

[rjh200]

 Corner - When you bring it up under power in first gear at what speed are you putting it down?  I would be willing to bet its over 40mph.  It is actually easier to learn and a little safer in second gear  at a slightly higher speed (ie 40mph)

[rjh200]

1st gear power wheelies are no problem.  I'll work on clutching it up in second, though.  So far I haven't gotten the timing right to bounce it in second.  

there is no need really to start 1st and ride through second.  Once you get down the clutch wheelies you will find you can do them from a very slow speed.  I can bring mine up in second at about 15mph now and hold it at about 20-25 mph.

[cornerworker]

Corner - When you bring it up under power in first gear at what speed are you putting it down?  I would be willing to bet its over 40mph.  It is actually easier to learn and a little safer in second gear  at a slightly higher speed (ie 40mph)

Actually with the stock gearing I have to be moving (and way up in the rev range) to get it up under power.  At 16/46 I'll cut the throttle at about 20mph to get the front end to dive and then get right back on it.  It'll stand straight up and I can keep it between 30-40 mph.  But like I said, I'm not really a wheelie guy.

[rjh200]

Yeah, I can bring mine right up in first at about 15-20mph by just bouncing the front end and getting on the gas with stock gearing.  I dont recommend trying it this way till you are comfortable cause it is harder to do smoothly.  I usually don't even bother with first gear.  Most of it has to do with your comfort levels.  I had the same issues you are talking about now until I got a better feel for the bike.

[fretless33]

I did a 1st gear wheelie and got scared and droped it back down real violent like, so I appreciate the 2nd gear advice.  

[pUrExTc]

I definately have to agree...1st gear wheelies are scary...

[wickedrr]

How has this gottn this far without everyone getting all pissy about how only "squids" wheelie.......
Istarted athread like this when i first started coming here and got nothing but shit talk about it.
I'm proud of you guys (tear in eye).

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