2006 CBR600RR versus 2006 CBR1000RR

[Grady]

For the record, if we met at the track I would be more interested in learning from you than racing you, because you're right...despite having a strange and backwards view on things, something obviously works because you have great form.

<intepretation> Man, OZ looks HOT in his leathers...He has a great form...<end intepretation>

Yea OZ, quit trying to say your the man yo!
I mean, I think that you probably are,
but if you really were 'the man' you wouldnt need to
keep knocking us wussy riding street only people. So quit knocking us wussy riding street only people cause one day in the not too distant future Ill start having some lap times to post up and you better watch out cause Im trying to beat all your times baby!

[yellowcar]

Fret, no---I feel it is all about balance, and OZ has what it takes.  Every person is different in size and weight
however, each and every motorcycle will be different and require the rider to assume a different position of Balance.  

I feel the control of the motorcycle is found in overall balance----that will require some serious skill, from each and every person.   You can train yourself to get better, however some people are born with the talent.  

For the novice it looks easy, however it is very difficult, because the conditions are always changing. When
one change is make to the motorcycle it will require the individual to adjust, in addition to the weather conditions.  Cold weather, hot weather and in the rain===

All the above can be a real bitch---and will require some serious talent coming from the rider.  

Is the information listed above the Truth? Or is it a Lie?  

[Fretless33]

however, each and every motorcycle will be different and require the rider to assume a different position of Balance.    

So you're saying 2  same year, stock RR's with the exact same factory suspension settings are going to feel different?

The riders will be different, but essentially the bikes will be the same...the biggest element is getting over the mental barricades and survival reactions...that is what differentiates the men from mice...I already ride pretty damn good and I did it without any expensive track school like Oz...what would I ride like if I went to Code's school?

[yellowcar]

Fret,

God gave each person some talent, a professional coach can build on talent, however not everyone has the
talent. 

For Example: 
Michael Jordan was given, some great talent, without a Coach allowing Michael to shoot the ball during a game, no
person would of seen the talent.  The Bulls Coach was named Doug Collins---he realized that Michael had something
very special, Michael was averaging 60% from the field, against the best players in the World.

So you can go to the professional motorcycle racing coach, but don't expect to be a professional motorcycle
racer.  The true professional motorcycle racer has some special talent.   

[Fretless33]

I do but don't understand all in the same time...

[yellowcar]

Fret,

What is it to find talent? 

For Example---in basketball---can you jump more then 24 inches off the ground? 
                   If you have natural talent you can jump 36 to 40 inchese off the gound----

I feel in motorcycle racing it is being able to adapt in various conditions. Balance is only one of the important requirements, however they must always know how far they can go, and to what limit?  The limit can change
given the motorcycle and the conditions---the racer must adjust to many variables over the course of one
race. 

I don't have that talent, nor do I have that skill---you will know very fast if you have either the talent or skill. 

It all looks very easy----but it is very difficult.   

[Fretless33]

Again...I get what you're saying and it feels like you might be trying to teach me something...but I'm not sure what?

[alpinestaRR]

just the way yellow writes is makin me laugh my ass off and then frets replies, thanks i needed a laugh 

[Ozjack]

Fret, I bet you have heaps of machines at your work.
Can you imagine trying to figure out how these machines work BY YOURSELF? You obviously know the advanced technology within those machines and how complex they are...
Trying to figure out an E.C.G., for example, is just what you`ve done wih your bike.

I already ride pretty damn good and I did it without any expensive track school like Oz...what would I ride like if I went to Code's school?

You`d ride like me. They teach you how to use the complex machine properly. We would ride the same. I, as a rider, am not "above" any other competent rider at all. I am just "competent".

Jason748, for example, is beyond competent, he exploits his knowledge to take the bike beyond it`s normal operation.

If you have a sportsbike, but do not ride it comptently, what is the point of a sportsbike? Looks?
Any other motorcycle will comply with your needs and probably more comfortably and FUN*.

*this is the point of motorcycling. If your bike is hard work, then you`ve got the wrong bike.

And Fret, no-one`s saying you`re not competent, it`s just that MY perceptions seem to work a lot better for ME(it makes me more competent on the machine).

[yellowcar]

Fret

I think you and me, should just sit back an watch Jason and Hi Side---the people with the real talent.   

[Grady]

So ive been playing around a little in my neighborhood. Theres a clean tight 90 degree turn here. Ive been  taking it at 35 mph, i put my initial input into the bars and dont put any pressure on them through the turn. But the front end feels like it wants to 'fall in' to the inside of the turn every time. Does this mean that i need to add a little acceleration?

[yellowcar]

Grady,

It means you have No Skill---

When you can do it at 75mph---let me know

[Grady]

Grady,

It means you have No Skill---

When you can do it at 75mph---let me know

K - im working on it!

[Ozjack]

So ive been playing around a little in my neighborhood. Theres a clean tight 90 degree turn here. Ive been  taking it at 35 mph, i put my initial input into the bars and dont put any pressure on them through the turn. But the front end feels like it wants to 'fall in' to the inside of the turn every time. Does this mean that i need to add a little acceleration?

You`re starting to see why sportsbikes are gay streetbikes. To ride them properly is frustrating.
A 90 degree corner will only work if you go from one side of the road, turn in to the apex(curb), then roll on the accellerator gently to rid the instability. You`ll end up on the other side of the road if done properly.

You need a racetrack to really get a feel for how magic the throttle is though. Throttle will get you out of any scary situation.
The trick is to aim the bike so you won`t hit stuff while you roll on. Stopping the "roll on" gives the instability("fall in") you just mentioned.

[bbuker]

I've always thought of this as riding into the corner on both wheels but riding through the exit on the rear (enter slow, exit fast). 90% of the passes I make are on exits because I'm nearly full throttle just past the apex while some riders are still trying to get their stability back after entering too hot.
Ozjack, you obviously are a very good rider, just not a good teacher. Though I see the theory in most of what you're saying, the way you try to explain it makes me want to stab myself in the throat with a fork. I'm sure if Mr Code watches you ride he says, "hell yeah, he nailed it!" but if he were to read half of what you've written here, it might sound more like, "what the fuck is he talking about!" You're trying to convince people the correct way to ride a motorcycle over the internet after saying yourself that you can't learn to ride by "internet knowledge." If you want to teach people how to ride, you should stick to doing it in person; because you have a really hard time trying to convey a skill into words. No disrespect, just my humble observation.